Dialogue, dialogue, what dialogue?

Dialogue, dialogue, what dialogue?

PF cadres that turned up to provide moral support for their colleagues who appeared on violence related charges at the Lusaka Magistrates’ Court yesterday (Monday September 9, 2013 – Picture by Salim Dawood

By Professor Michelo Hansungule

An overused Zambian political narrative is ‘dialogue’. A day hardly passes by without a politician resorting to the word ‘dialogue’ to make their point about the current political situation in the country. Ideally, dialogue is the way to go in resolving disputes and scholarship has acknowledged this see (April 1996 Judges and Scholars: Do Courts and Scholarly Journals Cite the Same Law Review Articles Deborah J. Merritt Melanie Putnam.

Most recently, it was the turn of UPND Secretary General Stephen Katuka who clarified that unless it was led by the Church, UPND would not partake in dialogue.

This was in sharp contrast to the ruling party which has been sending signals suggesting they would be comfortable with the Zambia Center for the Inter-Party Dialogue which opposition fears is doing the bidding of the ruling PF party.
Earlier, the Commonwealth Secretariat in London not only originated the discourse towards a dialogue as part of opposition leader Hakainde Hichilema’s possible release from prison where he faced trumped up foolish treason charges for not giving way to Edgar Lungu’s motorcade. The Commonwealth sent Nigerian born respected Professor Ibrahim Gambari to try and oversee the dialogue but owing to bad faith on the part of government, his efforts are bound to come to nothing(http://thecommonwealth.org/sites/default/files/inline/Press%20Statement-Prof-Gambari-Nov-2017.pdf).

Like other Zambians who have spoken on it, let me also weigh in. In my view, there is no need for dialogue and in fact it is dangerous for the opposition to demand for dialogue with Edgar Lungu. Edgar Lungu is not a trusted man how do you negotiate anything with such a man? I thought the opposition knows Edgar Lungu by now, am I wrong? Edgar Lungu who has taken the UPND through unimaginable pain killing their cadres and arresting them willy nilly must now be trusted to dialogue with them? May I find out is it the same Edgar Lungu who locked up HH to satisfy his inflated ego after the latter would not give way to his motorcade who is now trusted to dialogue?
I also thought that the official position in UPND is that Edgar Lungu is not the legally elected republican president he claims to be which is also my position or am I the only one with this view? If UPND does not recognize Edgar Lungu as president, how would they dialogue with a person they do not recognize?

Regardless of what he says, Edgar Lungu did not respect the clear provisions of the constitution regarding the acting president during an election petition and the position remains the same. This matter is in the law, it cannot be subjected to political dialogue. It is treason as simple as that and no matter how long he illegally hold the presidency, it will come back to haunt him.

Equally, the issue of the 2016 elections scandal is ultimately a matter of law which UPND rightly took to courts for determination as per the letter and spirit of the law. Edgar Lungu banned the so-called Constitutional Court from listening to the petition because obviously he knew what would have been the outcome had the court been allowed to look at the constituency returns and where necessary to recount the vote. Edgar knew very well he dismally lost the 2016 vote and privately he conceded defeat. All this is public knowledge. The Kanyama vote, for instance, first ECZ criminally ‘gave’ HH a dismal loss only to raise it to upwards of 10,000 votes after counting ‘hidden’ votes. In a civilized country, aggrieved go to court but not so in a country like Zambia.

Zambia is finished as a country, I mean finished. Imagine PF party cadres under Edgar Lungu’s orders run the courts? Not only do the run the courts, they run the economy, run the entire executive and parliament and everything. Party cadres run the electoral commission and dictate who wins and who loses? Just a while ago, a PF party cadre clearly on instructions from Edgar Lungu had the audacity to write challenging two judges of the Supreme Court Justice Albert Wood and Mumba Malila to resign because of their involvement as witnesses in the Mutembo Nchito case, imagine that? It is a shame.
These are crimes. It is criminal for anyone regardless of status to tamper with the constitution and compromise institutions of governance the case in Zambia. Do you take this to dialogue? To dialogue over what when the matter is so straight forward?

Similarly, the unusually high levels of corruption in the country which are as a result of general lawlessness deliberately triggered off by Edgar Lungu’s corrupt regime is well known. In any case, you don’t take such a matter to dialogue, do you? You just arrest the baggers involved and lock them up and recover every single property the proceeds of this corruption. I tell you it will be easy to do so. Because nations now cooperate under both the UN and AU Conventions against corruption and particularly donor policies, all the illegally acquired wealth will be recovered. Just watch how the now powerful and rich ambassadors, ministers and presidents will skip their countries trying to hide in neighbouring countries when the time comes for them to account.

This brings me to my main point. Opposition, I mean real opposition, should not waste time on dialogue. Rather, they must case their eyes on the ball which is winning their people. By now, I expected opposition to be in villages and townships on door to door campaigns wining the hearts of women and men so that when the time comes they win upwards of 90% even with massive intimidation and rigging. Edgar Lungu and his PF are using intimidation and money to keep themselves in power, why can’t you use the same to take power from them? You see, the irony is there are so many youth that are not benefiting from PF corruption, get them and use them. Because they are hungry, these are youths that are not only ready to be used as they do in PF but even to kill, use them. Forget about this dialogue nonsense, you will never get power through dialogue. This dialogue nonsense will deflect you from your certain path to power.

Without prejudice to any outcome, I emphasise the basic point that Edgar Lungu cannot be trusted. You know this as much as I do. I know Edgar Lungu. He can’t leave State House through dialogue. He is not a man of his word. You can meet him and he can sign any dotted lines but if it means abandoning PF cadres, you’d be cheating yourselves. If it means cutting on his arbitrary powers so that now he allows you to have peaceful meetings, you are cheating yourselves. Go and populate the people instead of wasting your energies waiting to be in high powered delegations to the dialogue, you will get nothing from it. Rather, the so-called dialogue will weaken you. You most definitely are not going to be stronger out of dialogue.

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    JAMES BOND 2 weeks ago

    iwe chi Dominic fuck up i will warm your stinking ears

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    Mr NGIMBU,, i think you are a problem, you are the same people who are polluting this counntry, anything that comes from a tonga person to you is tribalism,, what kind of human beings are you? if you were to be honest like you used to be when you were born, you will actually believe me when i say the level of tribalism in Luapula, Northern, and Eastern provinces is high than that of southern province,its dangerous for this country to have people like you, we know that in these three provinces i have mentioned no one believes that other tribes should lead zambia, which is wrong, zambia is not just for you, we are many, you are bad people with criminal thinking, from the presidency to ECZ there never been other tribes as leader, even in churches is the same, i don’t remember any other tribes of zambia to be the leaders of the most famous church in zambia other than your two tribes why? telescope Chanda, Telescope Banda, why? ,, have you ever asked yourself this question? or maybe you think God just created you? you are evil,, so don’t come here and say this is tonga, who has mentioned you tribe to start with?

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    Dominic 2 weeks ago

    Mr Mango.I must extend my sympathies to you as you have just joined a number of let us say Zambians who criticize aimlessly without sticking to the issues at hand.Prof Hansungule among many issues he has raised in his article above is that the Eletoral Commission is run by PF Cadres and that is why HH cannot win an election.

    The point I raised was if PF Cadres are the ones running the Elections,how come that these Cadres were able to declare President Edgar Lungu 200 votes against 30,000 votes for HH in Dundumwezi Constituency.Furthermore the same PF Electoral cadres could return a clean sweep of all Parliamentary Seats to UPND in Southern Province in addition to Overwhelming win in both Western and North Western Provinces by UPND in the 2016 General Elections. Why should Prof Hansungule refuse to accept the voting results that UPND got in other Provinces where it lost? These are the points Mr Mango should dwell on.

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    Mango 2 weeks ago

    Mr Dominic stop being a cadre and listen to what the man said. You look old and dignified enough to be making such myopic statements. You and this man Njimbu

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    Just look at the name of the author “Michelo Hansungule” a known UPND cadre supporting their tonga party!!!Can such a creature give an objective opinion on national matters?never.Michelo Hansungule lives abroad and he only talks to his fellow tongas who tell him lies about mother Zambia and various local issues!!!
    Please brethren stop reading the nonsense from this tribal man.No matter how educated a tonga would be,he or she would still blindly follow HH(their tonga god)-simple!!!
    THESE ARE “CUUNDU CHAITWA” FAMILY WHOM WE SHOULD NEVER ALLOW TO BE ANYWAY NEAR PLOT ONE!!!We cant wait to see HH lose a record 6th presidential elections in 2021!!Yes let Kainde continue winning online but not in 6.5 provinces!

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    Dominic 2 weeks ago

    Prof Hansungule states that PF cadres are running the Elections.If these cadres gave Lungu 200 votes as against over 30,000 votes for HH in Dudumwezi Constituency in 2016 Presidentyial Elections.To add salt to injury,the same PF Electoral cadres, gave UPND a clean sweep of All Parliamentary seats in Southern Province and over whelmingly won in both Western and North Western Provinces.Would real PF cadres allow their Party to be humiliated in such a manner.Only Prof Hansungule can answer this puzzle.

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    Chilyata 2 weeks ago

    This man makes so much sense all the time. Let us forget about that foolish dialogue with a foolish thief Lungu

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    umulilo 2 weeks ago

    Immediately after the 2016 elections dialogue should have began to take place. HH 1 close to 50% of the votes. Just like a lungu who also won close to 50% of the votes. This was a stalemate. In a normal country where there are normal people dialogue should have began almost immediately after the last elections. The mission does not cool down just like the way porridge does. it does not surprise some of us that fires started all over the place. Even now the nation has not cooled down the way PF expected to cool down. PF Seems to live on another planet we just wait and see

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